Curse

Cale Roughstar · Apr 13, 2008, 03:25 PM // 15:25

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Originally Posted by I Is Special

I was trying to sell a zodiac sword i found and this guy PM-ed me...
Him:"Hey can you give it to me so i know what it looks like on my char?"
Me: "No."
Him: "Plz"
Me: "Ok" and i gave it to him and he dissapeared and put me on ignore

.

surely you jest?

dunky_g · Apr 13, 2008, 05:08 PM // 17:08

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Originally Posted by I Is Special

I was trying to sell a zodiac sword i found and this guy PM-ed me...
Him:"Hey can you give it to me so i know what it looks like on my char?"
Me: "No."
Him: "Plz"
Me: "Ok" and i gave it to him and he dissapeared and put me on ignore

.

fail

at

life

leeky baby · Apr 13, 2008, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by dunky_g

fail

at

life

You do?

- If you get scammed you honstly are really stupid

Mr. G · Apr 13, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05

I got my EL beetle tonic scammed if that counts...well my own fault really

I reqularly chuck around to guild members so we can zoom round the place as a horde of beetles

one guy (someone wih the full FoW, God among mortals crap) just didnt give it back - I mean if he honestly couldnt ever buy one id be happy but...bleh

On the bright side I liek to think its made me take things less seriously in the game, I mean when GW2 comes what use will that tonic be anyway?

also can I remidn you of the wonderfull Hanlon's Razor

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Skyy High · Apr 13, 2008, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by Pure Disasta

That isnt a scam you dumbass. There are no set prices that you must sell and buy stuff at you choose what you want to spend or what you want to get. Not to mention pre is a seperate community that doesnt even have a dye trader. Grow up.

Yes, it is a frickin scam, because there ARE set prices for dyes. It's called the trader. Anyone with half a brain (and who cares about being fair) knows that players buy and sell between the trader's buy and sell prices. The fact that it's in pre is completely irrelevant; the perma-pre community does just fine with dyes on their own, and everyone else who's buying and selling and farming is just planning on bringing them to post anyway.

Besides, anyone who's specifically buying all dyes for 50g except brown KNOWS the prices in post, and is taking advantage of them.

Ultra Mega · Apr 13, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Yes, it is a frickin scam, because there ARE set prices for dyes. It's called the trader. Anyone with half a brain (and who cares about being fair) knows that players buy and sell between the trader's buy and sell prices. The fact that it's in pre is completely irrelevant; the perma-pre community does just fine with dyes on their own, and everyone else who's buying and selling and farming is just planning on bringing them to post anyway.

Besides, anyone who's specifically buying all dyes for 50g except brown KNOWS the prices in post, and is taking advantage of them.

That still doesn't make it a scam. Anyone trading with the person knows what they are trading and how much they are going to get for it. Just because they don't have knowledge of the trader in post doesn't mean they are being scammed.
It doesn't matter if there are set prices for dyes, the trader can offer whatever price he wants and if the other trader agrees to it then it is not a scam. It may not be ethical but it is not a scam.

wu is me · Apr 13, 2008, 10:49 PM // 22:49

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Originally Posted by Narcissia

hehe. shouldve shown ur bambi and said r15+ is just the bambi over again

Genius =] 12121212

dunky_g · Apr 13, 2008, 11:19 PM // 23:19

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Originally Posted by leeky baby

You do?

- If you get scammed you honstly are really stupid

QTF apart from the bit i fail at life...

Smile Like Umean It · Apr 14, 2008, 12:41 AM // 00:41

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Yes, it is a frickin scam, because there ARE set prices for dyes. It's called the trader. Anyone with half a brain (and who cares about being fair) knows that players buy and sell between the trader's buy and sell prices. The fact that it's in pre is completely irrelevant; the perma-pre community does just fine with dyes on their own, and everyone else who's buying and selling and farming is just planning on bringing them to post anyway.

Besides, anyone who's specifically buying all dyes for 50g except brown KNOWS the prices in post, and is taking advantage of them.

It is relevant given that there is no trader in Pre to set the prices anyway.
And following that, since Pre is a different community buying the more expensive dyes very cheaply only becomes valuable if you don't use them and you go to Post. Answer me this: How exactly do you know "everyone else who's buying and selling and farming is just planning on bringing them to post anyway"? Do you know them personally? Have they told you their plans?

And to go ahead and clarify, no, I don't think it's honorable or right, but neither is it a scam. Both parties agreed to a set price. Going in a deal ignorant is no one's fault but the seller's.

Elia · Apr 14, 2008, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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Originally Posted by You can't see me

I'm going to have to say that the worst scam attempt ever was when I was selling an elemental sword back in Kamadan, and this person Pm's me in all caps saying "I BUY. GO OUTSIDE WITH ME." So I invite him, figuring he wants to see the skin before he buys. So then he says. "OK. GO DIE."

At that point I asked him if he was going to buy it or not because I had other things to sell, he trades, shows me 100k, and repeats his previous statement. So, being the nice person I am, I go and die to humor him. At which point I ask him again, is he going to buy it or not? So he responds with the bright statement "I BUY. I MAKE MOVIE." So, watching him, I see him ressurect me with Unyielding Aura. This is where I say, "I'm not dropping the sword so you can pick it up when you stop maintaining the enchantment, you imbisile. You waste my time."

This is where he left, and I pmed him telling him how pathetic he was.

A guildmate encountered the exactly same kind of idiot.

dawnmist · Apr 14, 2008, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Going in a deal ignorant is no one's fault but the seller's.

For a new player who hasn't yet been to post-searing, who's only other source of information is that the merchant will pay 1 gold, just how do you expect them to become less "ignorant" of the value of the dyes? There are still new accounts being made.

Short of other pre-searing characters telling them that the person is paying way below the trader value, they have no ability to know that they're being taken advantage of. 50g for a 1g item looks like a good deal when you can't know that there is a specific trader that'll give you a lot more for some dyes.

That's not their fault for being "ignorant", when there is no ability for them not to be ignorant.

Lycan Nibbler · Apr 14, 2008, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by Smile Like Umean It

It is relevant given that there is no trader in Pre to set the prices anyway.
And following that, since Pre is a different community buying the more expensive dyes very cheaply only becomes valuable if you don't use them and you go to Post. Answer me this: How exactly do you know "everyone else who's buying and selling and farming is just planning on bringing them to post anyway"? Do you know them personally? Have they told you their plans?

And to go ahead and clarify, no, I don't think it's honorable or right, but neither is it a scam. Both parties agreed to a set price. Going in a deal ignorant is no one's fault but the seller's.

Agreed. I personally farm dyes in pre and sell the bad(cheap) ones to the guys that buy all for 50g each. I sell the others except white and black to people as I see fit/when I like the price.
Gold is more valuable relatively in pre anyway. Anyone that sells something(ie black dye) ANYWHERE (pre or post) without paying attention to what others are buying/selling for just deserves what they get.

Lycan Nibbler · Apr 14, 2008, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by dawnmist

For a new player who hasn't yet been to post-searing, who's only other source of information is that the merchant will pay 1 gold, just how do you expect them to become less "ignorant" of the value of the dyes? There are still new accounts being made.

Short of other pre-searing characters telling them that the person is paying way below the trader value, they have no ability to know that they're being taken advantage of. 50g for a 1g item looks like a good deal when you can't know that there is a specific trader that'll give you a lot more for some dyes.

That's not their fault for being "ignorant", when there is no ability for them not to be ignorant.

Its called, spending 5 minutes in Ascalon looking at trade and seeing the prices (black and white dye being the only "valuable" drops in pre anyway). thats not too hard and only similar to what youd do if selling something in R/L ( ie, see what the market is). Oh and yes, I will pm a person and tell them if I see them doing something silly.

Personette · Apr 14, 2008, 03:11 AM // 03:11

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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az

Its called, spending 5 minutes in Ascalon looking at trade and seeing the prices (black and white dye being the only "valuable" drops in pre anyway). thats not too hard and only similar to what youd do if selling something in R/L ( ie, see what the market is). Oh and yes, I will pm a person and tell them if I see them doing something silly.

This only sounds like a good idea if you already know that dye is worth something.

People who come to Guild Wars from other MMOs or whatever probably DO know that there will be some sort of trading system - between individuals &/or a middleman - and will be on the lookout for it from the beginning. They might automatically do what you suggest and sit in the main town to get a feel for what's valuable.

GW was the first multiplayer game I'd ever played. I remember asking in Ascalon, when I was just starting, if there was some way of selling the loot that I'd gathered and it took a while for someone to direct me to the merchant instead of just laughing. It didn't feel like a helpful atmosphere and I didn't draw out the encounter. And I had no idea that there would ever be any alternative trading system.

Whatever the outcome of this silly debate about whether buying dyes for cheap in pre is a scam or not, it's clearly wrong. The exact equivalent of stealing candy from a baby - not just mean, but low.

1 up and 2 down · Apr 14, 2008, 03:18 AM // 03:18

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Originally Posted by dawnmist

For a new player who hasn't yet been to post-searing, who's only other source of information is that the merchant will pay 1 gold, just how do you expect them to become less "ignorant" of the value of the dyes? There are still new accounts being made.

Short of other pre-searing characters telling them that the person is paying way below the trader value, they have no ability to know that they're being taken advantage of. 50g for a 1g item looks like a good deal when you can't know that there is a specific trader that'll give you a lot more for some dyes.

That's not their fault for being "ignorant", when there is no ability for them not to be ignorant.

It doesn't matter, just because the seller or the buyer is ignorant doesn't make it a scam.

crazybanshee · Apr 14, 2008, 04:20 AM // 04:20

I've noticed a huge increase in the amount of people selling moa eggs for 1k (or even hardened moa eggs for 1k) saying they'll hatch into mini moas. They usually spam local chat instead of trade too. I usually call them scammer and say the eggs are free and don't hatch into moas, whoever is listening don't buy them. That usually chases the people away.

MarlinBackna · Apr 14, 2008, 04:32 AM // 04:32

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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az

Its called, spending 5 minutes in Ascalon looking at trade and seeing the prices (black and white dye being the only "valuable" drops in pre anyway). thats not too hard and only similar to what youd do if selling something in R/L ( ie, see what the market is). Oh and yes, I will pm a person and tell them if I see them doing something silly.

That doesn't help generally as people don't really post all of the prices they buy the dyes, except if they are buying all for 50g.

Bront · Apr 14, 2008, 04:50 AM // 04:50

I scammed myself.

Bought monk sunspear shoes, and couldn't find them in my inventory, so I bought a second set thinking I'd salvaged or pitched the first one, only to find the first set. Stupid black on black background.

Smile Like Umean It · Apr 14, 2008, 05:25 AM // 05:25

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Originally Posted by dawnmist

For a new player who hasn't yet been to post-searing, who's only other source of information is that the merchant will pay 1 gold, just how do you expect them to become less "ignorant" of the value of the dyes? There are still new accounts being made.

Short of other pre-searing characters telling them that the person is paying way below the trader value, they have no ability to know that they're being taken advantage of. 50g for a 1g item looks like a good deal when you can't know that there is a specific trader that'll give you a lot more for some dyes.

That's not their fault for being "ignorant", when there is no ability for them not to be ignorant.

Well, then I guess I'm just a bit brighter than your average new player then. GW was my first online game. I'm not even sure I knew what a MMORPG was before I was told about this game. Yet when I first got a dye or experienced anything new I asked people I had met and my guildies and not only did I ask them, but I went and googled the info (happedned to be GWO) just to confirm what they said. Even now when I play new games, online or not, I try to look up fansites to be in the know.

You're playing an online game and if you need help and no one's really helping you I'd think it common sense to go online, to the official site at least, to research your question.

So, yeah, it is their fault for being ignorant because they do have the ability to become informed.

And like 1 up and 2 down said, it still doesn't matter whether they're ignorant or not, it still isn't a scam.

A11Eur0 · Apr 14, 2008, 07:36 AM // 07:36

1: Some people aren't as paranoid or as hardcore as you to go out and research every little thing on every little trade they can.
2: said people probably don't care what they get for their items...they get what they need and that's it.
3: They probably cancel each other out...but there are the people out there who DO care about how much they sell their junk for and just don't think about checking on "official" or fan sites to learn. Some don't know how to check, they don't know where to go. I don't even know how I came to learn of Guru...maybe someone said something in-game 3 years ago and I just checked it out.

Either way...if you know what something is worth, and OFFER a huge lowball amount...it's not really a scam. If you convince someone that something isn't worth what they're asking, even if it is...THAT is a scam. There's a difference. If you LIE at all concerning the value of the item, knowingly...it's a scam, whether they accept it or not. If you advertise that you're paying 50g for ANY dye out there, and some nub who just zoned in and doesn't see the "WTB black dye 9k" messages flooding presear ascalon runs up to you and opens trade with his three blacks he got doing his quests...that's not really a scam because you advertised and delivered on it.

It's not the price and the item, but the method the price for said item is agreed upon that makes it a scam or not.